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A study followed a group of teenagers

by AmunaGmat Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:44 am

A study followed a group of teenagers who had never smoked and tracked whether they took up smoking and how their mental health changed. After one year, the incidence of depression among those who had taken up smoking was four times as high as it was among those who had not. Since nicotine in cigarettes changes brain chemistry, perhaps thereby affecting mood, it is likely that smoking contributes to depression in teenagers.

Which of the following, if true, most strengthens the argument?

A. Participants who were depressed at the start of the study were no more likely to be smokers after one year than those who were not depressed.
B. The study did not distinguish between participants who smoked only occasionally and those who were heavy smokers.
C. Few, if any, of the participants in the study were friends or relatives of other participants.
D. Some participants entered and emerged from a period of depression within the year of the study.
E. The researchers did not track use of alcohol by the teenagers.

This is how I have it: Because those who took up smoking were 4x more depressed than those who hadn't, then smoking contribute to depression.
I chose C because I thought no genetic background or family history of depression, then the results are genuine.
Can someone please help me understand why A is the correct answer and c is incorrect?

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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by muralidharin Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:24 pm

If you negate Option A, it becomes
Participants who were depressed at the start of the study were more likely to be smokers after one year than those who were not depressed
The sentence above weakens the argument by providing an alternate cause - "Depression causes Smoking".
Option A strengthens the argument by closing the weakness "Depression does not cause Smoking" and is the correct answer.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by jnelson0612 Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:37 am

muralidharin Wrote:If you negate Option A, it becomes
Participants who were depressed at the start of the study were more likely to be smokers after one year than those who were not depressed
The sentence above weakens the argument by providing an alternate cause - "Depression causes Smoking".
Option A strengthens the argument by closing the weakness "Depression does not cause Smoking" and is the correct answer.


Excellent!

Yes, beware of these causal arguments. You can recognize them when you see the author present that A and B happen together to therefore A caused B. To properly conclude that A caused B you have to rule out the possibility that B may have actually caused A. Doing so will strengthen the potential causality.

In this case, we see that smoking and depression occur together. It was then concluded that smoking caused the depression. To conclude this we have to rule out the possibility that being depressed causes people to smoke, which answer choice A does. I also like how this poster uses negation, which can be very valuable on questions involving assumptions.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by AmunaGmat Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:50 am

Thanks a lot Murali and Jamie,

Now I think I misinterpreted Answer choice A.

What does this part mean, 'were no more likely to be smokers'? I thought it means participant who were depressed at the beginning of the study stopped smoking!

i think I need help seriously, I misinterprete these type of statements most of the time. Please someone simplify these type of wording for me.

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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by RonPurewal Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:43 am

AmunaGmat Wrote:Thanks a lot Murali and Jamie,

Now I think I misinterpreted Answer choice A.

What does this part mean, 'were no more likely to be smokers'? I thought it means participant who were depressed at the beginning of the study stopped smoking!


aaaaahh, i see what you did there. (i find these kinds of errors absolutely fascinating -- because no native speaker would ever think to interpret the words in this way, yet i can totally see the logic behind your interpretation.)

you are (mistakenly) reading the sentence as equivalent to one of these:
... those participants were no longer likely to be smokers
... those participants were not likely to be smokers anymore

these two constructions mean that these particular participants were unlikely to be smokers by the time of the study's conclusion.

that's not what the construction in this sentence means, though.
the construction here is "no more likely", which is, from a mathematical standpoint, like saying "current likelihood < original likelihood".

I misinterprete these type of statements most of the time. Please someone simplify these type of wording for me.


the problem with this request -- even though it's a perfectly reasonable request -- is that it's essentially impossible for us to answer, for the same reason i pointed out above: we native speakers don't make these mistakes, and so we aren't aware of them (and can't enumerate them) until we actually see them in the speech/writing of a non-native speaker.
in other words, it's impossible for us to anticipate these errors until we actually see posts like this one. so, unfortunately, we can't give you "preventive medicine" here; we will just have to explain things after you've actually made an error.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by thanghnvn Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:21 pm

muralidharin Wrote:If you negate Option A, it becomes
Participants who were depressed at the start of the study were more likely to be smokers after one year than those who were not depressed
The sentence above weakens the argument by providing an alternate cause - "Depression causes Smoking".
Option A strengthens the argument by closing the weakness "Depression does not cause Smoking" and is the correct answer.


I do not agree that we use negation test for strengthening question. This technic is used for assumption question.

in causal argument, look for something which said that there is no other cause,or that causal relation is not reversed- A said this and is correct.

pls, comment on my thinking. Thank you.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by RonPurewal Mon May 07, 2012 3:20 am

thanghnvn Wrote:
muralidharin Wrote:If you negate Option A, it becomes
Participants who were depressed at the start of the study were more likely to be smokers after one year than those who were not depressed
The sentence above weakens the argument by providing an alternate cause - "Depression causes Smoking".
Option A strengthens the argument by closing the weakness "Depression does not cause Smoking" and is the correct answer.


I do not agree that we use negation test for strengthening question. This technic is used for assumption question.

in causal argument, look for something which said that there is no other cause,or that causal relation is not reversed- A said this and is correct.

pls, comment on my thinking. Thank you.


well, both of you are correct, each of you in your own way.

yes, "the negation test" is a tool primarily used on assumption questions. but it's also certainly true that ruling out a possible objection or shortcoming is a very effective way to strengthen an argument.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by dips4502001 Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:49 am

Hi Ron ,

Does answer choice 'E' eliminates the alternate cause that ONLY smoking causes depression .As it act as a defender hence it strengthen the argument

Please help.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by thanghnvn Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:56 am

some persons advise to prething an assumption before going to answer choices for weakening and strengthening question.

I do not see most experts prethink an assumption. Most experts focus on explaining the wrong answer choices. The result is that we can understand the explanation but can not do a new CR problem or do it too long.

experts, pls, focus on the process of doing a CR so that we can imitate your process

Thank you.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by jlucero Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:39 pm

dips4502001 Wrote:Hi Ron ,

Does answer choice 'E' eliminates the alternate cause that ONLY smoking causes depression .As it act as a defender hence it strengthen the argument

Please help.


It might strengthen the argument if it told us something about the correlation between alcohol use and depression. But the fact that researchers have or haven't studied something doesn't make that something relevant to the argument.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by jlucero Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:44 pm

thanghnvn Wrote:some persons advise to prething an assumption before going to answer choices for weakening and strengthening question.

I do not see most experts prethink an assumption. Most experts focus on explaining the wrong answer choices. The result is that we can understand the explanation but can not do a new CR problem or do it too long.

experts, pls, focus on the process of doing a CR so that we can imitate your process

Thank you.


Our job as experts isn't to explain all five answer choices, but to help answer questions that people on the forums have. If you are curious about the missing assumption in a CR argument, feel free to ask, but no one asked about that above.

For the record, the argument above says smoking causes depression b/c smokers are more likely to be depressed. The assumption is that because two things are correlated (smoking = depression) that one causes the other (smoking --> depression).
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by chetan86 Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:36 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
AmunaGmat Wrote:Thanks a lot Murali and Jamie,

Now I think I misinterpreted Answer choice A.

What does this part mean, 'were no more likely to be smokers'? I thought it means participant who were depressed at the beginning of the study stopped smoking!


aaaaahh, i see what you did there. (i find these kinds of errors absolutely fascinating -- because no native speaker would ever think to interpret the words in this way, yet i can totally see the logic behind your interpretation.)

you are (mistakenly) reading the sentence as equivalent to one of these:
... those participants were no longer likely to be smokers
... those participants were not likely to be smokers anymore

these two constructions mean that these particular participants were unlikely to be smokers by the time of the study's conclusion.

that's not what the construction in this sentence means, though.
the construction here is "no more likely", which is, from a mathematical standpoint, like saying "current likelihood < original likelihood".

I misinterprete these type of statements most of the time. Please someone simplify these type of wording for me.


the problem with this request -- even though it's a perfectly reasonable request -- is that it's essentially impossible for us to answer, for the same reason i pointed out above: we native speakers don't make these mistakes, and so we aren't aware of them (and can't enumerate them) until we actually see them in the speech/writing of a non-native speaker.
in other words, it's impossible for us to anticipate these errors until we actually see posts like this one. so, unfortunately, we can't give you "preventive medicine" here; we will just have to explain things after you've actually made an error.


Hi Ron,

Argument says : cigarettes --> changes brain chemistry --> depression.

A. Participants who were depressed at the start of the study were no more likely to be smokers after one year than those who were not depressed.

Here option A tries to save the argument?
Conclusion says : the people who started smoking became 4xdeperessed compared to people who did not start smoking.

Does it says people who were depressed(at the start of the study) have not become smoker to keep the validity of conclusion that only smoker(new) became more depressed?

Let me know you find my above statement confusing.

I read option A almost 20 times to understand what it says. :(

Thanks!!
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:12 am

chetan86 Wrote:Conclusion says : the people who started smoking became 4xdeperessed compared to people who did not start smoking.


^^ not the conclusion.

in fact, this can't be the conclusion, because it's a fact. facts won't be conclusions of arguments.
just think about it for a sec: facts can simply be stated, because they're... facts.
e.g., i am 5 feet, 10 1/2 inches tall.
i can't create an argument that says "xxxxx, yyyy, and zzzz; therefore, i am 5 feet, 10 1/2 inches tall"; no matter what they are, the xxxxx, yyyyy, and zzzzz are unnecessary. instead, i can simply state my height.

in the same way, the part you've quoted here is just a fact. it's the result of a scientific study.

rather, the argument is speculating about cause and effect.
"it is likely that smoking contributes to depression in teenagers" is its conclusion.
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:12 am

...and choice A makes it a better argument, by ruling out the possibility that the causation runs in the opposite direction (i.e., that depression leads kids to start smoking).
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Re: A study followed a group of teenagers

by chetan86 Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:08 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
chetan86 Wrote:Conclusion says : the people who started smoking became 4xdeperessed compared to people who did not start smoking.


^^ not the conclusion.

in fact, this can't be the conclusion, because it's a fact. facts won't be conclusions of arguments.
just think about it for a sec: facts can simply be stated, because they're... facts.
e.g., i am 5 feet, 10 1/2 inches tall.
i can't create an argument that says "xxxxx, yyyy, and zzzz; therefore, i am 5 feet, 10 1/2 inches tall"; no matter what they are, the xxxxx, yyyyy, and zzzzz are unnecessary. instead, i can simply state my height.

in the same way, the part you've quoted here is just a fact. it's the result of a scientific study.

rather, the argument is speculating about cause and effect.
"it is likely that smoking contributes to depression in teenagers" is its conclusion.


Hi Ron,

Thanks a lot for identifying my mistake. I am not sure why I wrote 'conclusion' instead of premise. I think option A made me foolish. :(

RonPurewal Wrote:...and choice A makes it a better argument, by ruling out the possibility that the causation runs in the opposite direction (i.e., that depression leads kids to start smoking).


Thanks again for clarifying my doubt. :)
I think identifying the argument type is the key to solve this question. If we know that this is a causal argument then we have to just find a statement that would make the causal relationship better by eliminating alternate cause.

Thanks!!
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