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Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory

by gmat_s Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:01 am

Please help in answering following question from GMAT Prep SC:
Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to
(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of
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by Guest79 Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:07 pm

I think it is (E). What is OA?
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by givemeanid Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:42 am

Between A and E, I go for A. What is OA?
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by dbernst Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:59 pm

Guest79 and givemeanid, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I have to respectfully disagree with both of you.
Let's take a closer look at the answer choices.

Answer choices C and D can quickly be eliminated, as the verb was does not agree with the plural subject (repetory, views, and style) of the internal clause.

Answer choice A incorrectly uses the pronoun that (its usage in this case is awkward, and, in general, a comma before that is improper). Additionally, "influential on" is awkward.

Finally, the use of "that of" in choice E is redundant. Also, similar to its use in choice A, "influence on" is awkward.

The correct answer is B

-dan


Please help in answering following question from GMAT Prep SC:

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to
(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by sh.bharath Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:34 am

dbernst Wrote:Guest79 and givemeanid, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I have to respectfully disagree with both of you.

Let's take a closer look at the answer choices.



Answer choices C and D can quickly be eliminated, as the verb was does not agree with the plural subject (repetory, views, and style) of the internal clause.



Answer choice A incorrectly uses the pronoun that (its usage in this case is awkward, and, in general, a comma before that is improper). Additionally, "influential on" is awkward.



Finally, the use of "that of" in choice E is redundant. Also, similar to its use in choice A, "influence on" is awkward.



The correct answer is B



-dan





Please help in answering following question from GMAT Prep SC:

Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

(A) were influential on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(B) influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from
(C) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, was also inspirational to many musicians, that included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was different significantly in comparison to
(D) was influential to generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, who included Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, the music of whom differed significantly when compared to
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of
Finally, the use of "that of" in choice E is redundant. Also, similar to its use in choice A, "influence on" is awkward.

The correct answer is B

-dan


Sir,
I always have confusion regarding usage of that and that of...

b) ..., whose music differed significantly from his own
E) ..., whose music was significantly different from that of(from music of) his own

"music differed significantly from his own" -->his own of what?
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:20 am

sh.bharath Wrote:b) ..., whose music differed significantly from his own
E) ..., whose music was significantly different from that of(from music of) his own

"music differed significantly from his own" -->his own of what?


you've discovered exactly why the construction in (e) is wrong -- there's no word that would make sense there.
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by jp.jprasanna Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:48 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
sh.bharath Wrote:b) ..., whose music differed significantly from his own
E) ..., whose music was significantly different from that of(from music of) his own

"music differed significantly from his own" -->his own of what?


you've discovered exactly why the construction in (e) is wrong -- there's no word that would make sense there.


Hi Ron - One doubt here if option C were

were influential to generations of bluegrass artists, were also inspirational to many musicians,including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own.

Here in the above two bold part is correct? I.e Can we write a sentence such as above where one subject and two verbs separated by a comma with out any conjunction? (I believe we can use that sort of construction with modifiers only)

John , a avid gamer , a hard worker, is the head of engineering division.

Cheers
JP
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by RonPurewal Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:55 am

jp, i think you are missing the fact that the first of those two verbs appears in a modifier whose subject is "whose repertory..."

here's a shorter analogy:

Bob, who once lived here, moved to Kansas last year.
you don't need a conjunction between "lived" and "moved" -- in fact, you actually can't use one -- because "lived" is part of a modifier, while "moved" is part of the main skeleton of the sentence.

jp.jprasanna Wrote:John , a avid gamer , a hard worker, is the head of engineering division.


this construction is incorrect in standard written english. these are two independent modifiers, so you have to connect them with some sort of parallel signal (probably "and", although you could also use certain others).

fyi, this type of construction is actually a literary device, called "asyndeton" (i happen to know this because i just read some random books about literary devices this month); however, such things are not ok in formal written english.
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Re: Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory

by ShriramC110 Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:26 pm

Hi Ron,

Sorry for Re-opening the Thread.
Just had one question, is comma before that always wrong ???

Thanks
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Re: Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory

by RonPurewal Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:09 am

ShriramC110 Wrote:Hi Ron,

Sorry for Re-opening the Thread.
Just had one question, is comma before that always wrong ???

Thanks


no... you can have a comma before 'that' as long as the comma belongs to some other construction.

e.g.,

The outer circumferences of train wheels have extensions that keep the train from running off the rails.

The outer circumferences of train wheels have extensions, called flanges, that keep the train from running off the rails.

the commas belong to the purple part, so this construction makes perfect sense.
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Re: Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory

by ShriramC110 Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:31 am

Hi Ron,

Got it
Thanks a lott!!!
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Re: Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory

by RonPurewal Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:22 pm

you're welcome.
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by aflaamM589 Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:02 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
sh.bharath Wrote:b) ..., whose music differed significantly from his own
E) ..., whose music was significantly different from that of(from music of) his own

"music differed significantly from his own" -->his own of what?


you've discovered exactly why the construction in (e) is wrong -- there's no word that would make sense there.


Hello Ron,
Why can't that stand for music in E?
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of

whose music = music of many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia
that of his own = music of his own.
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by aflaamM589 Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:02 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
sh.bharath Wrote:b) ..., whose music differed significantly from his own
E) ..., whose music was significantly different from that of(from music of) his own

"music differed significantly from his own" -->his own of what?


you've discovered exactly why the construction in (e) is wrong -- there's no word that would make sense there.


Hello Ron,
Why can't that stand for music in E?
(E) were an influence on generations of bluegrass artists, was also an inspiration to many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music was significantly different from that of

whose music = music of many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia
that of his own = music of his own.
Thanks in advance
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Re: "that" and "that of"

by RonPurewal Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:20 am

"his own" = "his own music"

therefore, "that of his own" would have to stand for "the ____ of his own music", where "that" = "____" is some noun OTHER than music.

e.g.,
the rhythms of my friends' music are very different from those of my own.