Cat Verbal 5 Critical Reasoning

[nag]

In a certain state, hunting permits require the hunter to be at least 18 years old, possess a valid driver's license or state identification, and have completed a safety program within the past 5 years. The hunter must also sign a legal document pledging not to consume alcohol while hunting.

Which of the following can be correctly inferred from the above statements?
a) All states have the same requirements for hunting permits.
b) Hunters under the age of 21 don't need to sign the alcohol pledge because they are not legally allowed to drink alcohol under any circumstances.
c) If a person last completed the safety program six years ago, he will have to complete the program again before he can be eligible for a permit.
d) Someone who isn't 18 years old cannot obtain a hunting permit in this state.
e) Hunting is such a dangerous activity that state controls and requirements are necessary to ensure that nobody gets hurt.

Answer is C. I disagree with the reasoning as it does not satisfy the condition stated in the argument. Valid driver license or state identifcation is necessary to be eligible for hunting. I can not assume that person has Valid license or state identification.
I appreciate further reasoning.

[RonPurewal]

Answer is C. I disagree with the reasoning as it does not satisfy the condition stated in the argument. Valid driver license or state identifcation is necessary to be eligible for hunting. I can not assume that person has Valid license or state identification.
I appreciate further reasoning.

answer choice c has nothing to do with the 'license' part of the necessary qualifications. all it says is that the hunter will have to complete the program again (possibly among other requirements) before he'll be able to get a permit.

this answer choice does not say anything equivalent to 'that's all he has to do'. don't read more into the answer choice than is actually there!

[host]

How to eliminate 'D' ? What is the reason?

[host]

Got it..How to eliminate 'D'.

[RonPurewal]

Got it..How to eliminate 'D'.

the problem lies in the fact that "isn't 18 years old" is not the same thing as "isn't yet 18 years old", which is the way you're probably reading that answer choice.

for instance, i (ron purewal) am not 18 years old, but that doesn't mean i'm younger than 18.

still, i do think that choice (d) is one of those answer choices that taps you on the left shoulder even though it's standing on your right, and hollers "gotcha" when you turn around to the wrong side. it's a bit on the overly tricky side, especially because the standard american english interpretation of the phrase "not 18 years old" is "younger than 18".

i'll toss this question into the "we might want to edit this question" pool. thx

[Guest]

Got it..How to eliminate 'D'.

the problem lies in the fact that "isn't 18 years old" is not the same thing as "isn't yet 18 years old", which is the way you're probably reading that answer choice.

for instance, i (ron purewal) am not 18 years old, but that doesn't mean i'm younger than 18.

still, i do think that choice (d) is one of those answer choices that taps you on the left shoulder even though it's standing on your right, and hollers "gotcha" when you turn around to the wrong side. it's a bit on the overly tricky side, especially because the standard american english interpretation of the phrase "not 18 years old" is "younger than 18".

i'll toss this question into the "we might want to edit this question" pool. thx

The question is asking what can be inferred. There's nothing to infer about wether the person has to be 18. It plainly says. C is the only logical answer to me.

[rfernandez]

Sounds like there's agreement, then, on option C.

[mickileepaul]

I'm definitely bringing this post back from the dead. I have one question.

I know what the OA is, and it pains me that it's fairly obvious (now) to me why that answer is correct, but I still opted to choose something else. When I came back for review, I didn't know what I had chosen, and the answer was obvious that time.

I'm just trying to understand 'why' I picked a dumb answer. After thinking about it for a while, I have a question about the given statements.

The passage says that, among other things, you are required to have completed a safety program within the past 5 years. (C) says that if I took the test longer than 5 years ago, I'll have to take it again.

My question is: "can that be completely true from the passage?"

What if there are other exceptions, that we don't know about? like an exception that says 6 years is still 'just enough' for a permit.

These types of things are not stated in the passage, so in the frame of mind I was in when I read it the first time, I excluded that choice.

Will the GMAT try to test something as obscure as this? By trying to trick you into saying 'yes' when in fact something was missing? Or would the GMAT have to state any 'so-called exceptions' if it was going to query about them?

This is quite possibly a dumb question, but I'm trying to learn something from it anyway. Just help me out.

Thanks

[jnelson0612]

I'm definitely bringing this post back from the dead. I have one question.

I know what the OA is, and it pains me that it's fairly obvious (now) to me why that answer is correct, but I still opted to choose something else. When I came back for review, I didn't know what I had chosen, and the answer was obvious that time.

I'm just trying to understand 'why' I picked a dumb answer. After thinking about it for a while, I have a question about the given statements.

The passage says that, among other things, you are required to have completed a safety program within the past 5 years. (C) says that if I took the test longer than 5 years ago, I'll have to take it again.

My question is: "can that be completely true from the passage?"

What if there are other exceptions, that we don't know about? like an exception that says 6 years is still 'just enough' for a permit.

These types of things are not stated in the passage, so in the frame of mind I was in when I read it the first time, I excluded that choice.

Will the GMAT try to test something as obscure as this? By trying to trick you into saying 'yes' when in fact something was missing? Or would the GMAT have to state any 'so-called exceptions' if it was going to query about them?

This is quite possibly a dumb question, but I'm trying to learn something from it anyway. Just help me out.

Thanks

Sure! Very simply, don't make up stuff that isn't there. Just go based on the facts as stated. I like to go through every answer choice and say to myself, given that the statements above are 100% true, does this answer HAVE to be true. Answer choice C has to be true if we base our answer strictly on the facts stated. An exception to the rules would be a pretty big deal that would invalidate the rule; thus, the argument would have to mention it if it exists.

I think the main takeaway here is don't make life any harder for yourself. Just stick to what they say. :-)

[rte.sushil]

Got it..How to eliminate 'D'.

the problem lies in the fact that "isn't 18 years old" is not the same thing as "isn't yet 18 years old", which is the way you're probably reading that answer choice.

for instance, i (ron purewal) am not 18 years old, but that doesn't mean i'm younger than 18.

still, i do think that choice (d) is one of those answer choices that taps you on the left shoulder even though it's standing on your right, and hollers "gotcha" when you turn around to the wrong side. it's a bit on the overly tricky side, especially because the standard american english interpretation of the phrase "not 18 years old" is "younger than 18".

i'll toss this question into the "we might want to edit this question" pool. thx

i was lost in this trap
i (ron purewal) am not 18 years old, but that doesn't mean i'm younger than 18.
I was telling to myself this is the answer choice because he is not 18 so he is younger.
Good learning : be cautious when "not" is mentioned as it opens a wide scope.

[tim]

ah, the importance of paying attention to the exact wording.. :)