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CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by sirsriram Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:44 am

Two genes BRCA1 and BRCA2 are linked to hereditary breast cancer. Therefore in order to decrease the annual number of mammogram tests administered across a population and to more accurately assess a woman's individual risk of breast cancer, all women should be tested for these genes.

Which of the following is the assumption?

A. Some women who are tested for the two genes will subsequently undergo mammograms on a less frequent basis than they used to.
B. The majority of breast cancer patients have no family history of the disease.
C. Researchers may have identified a third breast cancer gene that is linked with hereditary breast cancer.
D. Women who have these genes have an 80 pc chance of getting breast cancer while women who don't have these genes have only a 10 pc chance of getting breast cancer.
E. The presence of BRCA1 and BRCA 2 can explain upto to 50% of hereditary cases.



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None of the other choices work but even A doesn't seem so good to me. It just deals with one of the 2 reasons being advocated for testing all women - reducing the number of mammogram tests; it does not deal with accuracy of the test at all. Can an assumption which is NECESSARY -just deal with one of the reasons given in the premises for justifying an action? I would have thought a NECESSARY assumption must deal with both grounds --- decreasing the number of tests AND the accuracy of the tests
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by tim Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:17 pm

Think of NECESSARY assumption questions as eliminating roadblocks. You want to get from point A (the premises) to point B (the conclusion). You can't get there if there are roadblocks (things keeping you from reaching the conclusion). In other words it is NECESSARY to eliminate each roadblock if you want to get from A to B. Now if there are TWO roadblocks, it is necessary to eliminate roadblock 1 and roadblock 2 if you want to reach the conclusion, so either one of these could stand for a necessary assumption. So you look for the answer choice that eliminates roadblock 1, or if you can't find that, you look for the one that eliminates roadblock 2. You will NEVER see both of those as answer choices, because CR questions NEVER have two correct answers. Let me know if this doesn't help and i can go into a more in-depth discussion of the difference between NECESSARY and SUFFICIENT..
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by sirsriram Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:06 am

Many thanks Tim... I meant to ask whether the correct answer should not deal with both the conditions aka the 'roadblocks'? - A just deals with one... i.e., reduction in frequency of testing. But A could not have been the full assumption as it doesn't deal with accuracy at all - so A is necessary but not sufficient on its own to be the 'complete assumption' - one that would account for both conditions - reduction of frequency of testing and accuracy

I was not thinking of separate answer choices dealing with each condition leading to a dilemma of picking 1 out of 2 choices
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by tim Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:55 am

If there are two roadblocks, X and Y, and they ask what is necessary, you are looking for an answer choice that eliminates X, or Y, or both. Note that only one of these three will actually be an answer choice. If the questions is one of sufficiency, the correct answer choice will eliminate both X and Y. This is why it's important to consider exactly what is being asked. To answer your question more specifically, if they ask for an assumption that is necessary, you do not have to address all the issues the problem presents..
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by yousuf_azim Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:37 am

Dear friends,

Why the ans D seems to me correct? If this is not correct then I want to tell you that that's how I always fall back i.e. run after lucrative wrong ans. I wan to kill them even they are of 700+ level pls give me the weaponry suggestion.

Tell me how did you kill them?

BR
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by gokul_nair1984 Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:24 am

mmrs151 Wrote:Why the ans D seems to me correct? If this is not correct then I want to tell you that that's how I always fall back i.e. run after lucrative wrong ans. I wan to kill them even they are of 700+ level pls give me the weaponry suggestion.

Tell me how did you kill them?


Two genes BRCA1 and BRCA2 are linked to hereditary breast cancer. Therefore in order to decrease the annual number of mammogram tests administered across a population and to more accurately assess a woman's individual risk of breast cancer, all women should be tested for these genes.

Premise 1: 2 genes B1 and B2 are linked to heriditary Breast Cancer.

Conclusion :To decrease mamogram tests and to accurately assess a woman's risk, women should be tested for these genes.

We have to find Premise 2 or the assumption. This has to be something that links with Premise 1 in order to arrive at the conclusion.

Which of the following is the assumption?

A. Some women who are tested for the two genes will subsequently undergo mammograms on a less frequent basis than they used to.--This definitley proves that these tests are surely beneficial to some people in that they can reduce the number of mamographies that they have to undergo.Let's try and negate this assumption. What if, the frequencies of undergoing mamographies do not reduce even after women are tested for these 2 genes.Then our conclusion falls flat. ie; If sombody performs these tests, they will not undergo a reduction in the number of mamographies, let alone the accurate assessment of cancer, that is never stated. Hence our conlcusion collpases.Use this negation test to prove that this must be an assumption

B. The majority of breast cancer patients have no family history of the disease--So what if they had, what if they did not have; we need something that will connect the tests with more accurately assessing cancer and some information that helps us reduce mamogram tests.

C. Researchers may have identified a third breast cancer gene that is linked with hereditary breast cancer.--So how does this help in linking the new genes[B1 and B2] with the disease. If this assumption were to be true, then patients should also undergo a test for B3.This answer choice is mainly out of scope as it renders the Premise 1 ineffective.

D. Women who have these genes have an 80 pc chance of getting breast cancer while women who don't have these genes have only a 10 pc chance of getting breast cancer.--This might be what's called the trap answer. But let's look at our conclusion.Does this answer choice ever speak of how this would help in the reducing number of mamograms or does it ACCURATELY assess a woman's risk to breast cancer?The statistics merely provide a chance. What if these chances were to go against the odds. There is no way of definitely saying that it won't because it is a matter of probability and (P=1, we can be sure of some even to occur) there is no surety. Try the negation test here, and the conclusion will not fall apart, because the reduction in mamographies is never stated here and due to chance the patient might or might not have an accurate assessment in terms of treatment.

E. The presence of BRCA1 and BRCA 2 can explain upto to 50% of hereditary cases.--Let it explain 50, 60 or even 100% of hereditary cases. So what?Does it in anyway explain how this would reduce the number of mamograms?Or does it say, how this knowledge would accurately assess a woman's individual risk to breast cancer. No.

Hence, A is the best choice. --Hope this makes Sense!
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by tim Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:35 am

mmrs151 Wrote:Dear friends,

Why the ans D seems to me correct? If this is not correct then I want to tell you that that's how I always fall back i.e. run after lucrative wrong ans. I wan to kill them even they are of 700+ level pls give me the weaponry suggestion.

Tell me how did you kill them?

BR


My advice is to study the incorrect answer choices very thoroughly. Most students only check to see if they got the answer correct, then if it's incorrect they figure out why the incorrect answer is wrong. This leaves a lot of work undone on a given problem. Your goal should be to go through every single answer choice and make sure you thoroughly understand why all the wrong answer choices are wrong. The GMAT sets traps all over the place, and you have to train yourself to recognize those traps - especially the traps that look very appealing at first. Only then will you be able to spot these traps in future questions..
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by josh_nsit Sun May 22, 2011 5:46 pm

tim Wrote:If there are two roadblocks, X and Y, and they ask what is necessary, you are looking for an answer choice that eliminates X, or Y, or both. Note that only one of these three will actually be an answer choice. If the questions is one of sufficiency, the correct answer choice will eliminate both X and Y. This is why it's important to consider exactly what is being asked. To answer your question more specifically, if they ask for an assumption that is necessary, you do not have to address all the issues the problem presents..


I am slightly confused here..
Conclusion is ==> To decrease the annual number of mammogram tests administered across a population and to more accurately assess a woman's individual risk of breast cancer, all women should be tested for these genes.

Stripped down version of conclusion to match A ==> To decrease the annual number of mammogram tests administered across a population, all women should be tested for these genes.

I have 2 doubts:
1) Isn't A a subset/part of conclusion? A is just revolving in conclusion and need not to go to even premises to fill the gap and create so-called bridge, so how can we say that A is an assumption?
2) If we consider Y roadblock as "more accurately assess a woman's individual risk of breast cancer", then if D is considered true, we can say that majority of cases where breast cancer happens with two genes(80 %) can be tracked down and then cured for with the help of accurate assessment(Y). This looks fine. What would be reasoning for discarding D?
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by tim Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:59 pm

if A is the conclusion, then all the more reason for it to be the correct answer to an assumption question! the most useful assumption possible is one that assumes the conclusion is true. please note that this particular argument lends itself to all sorts of interpretations as to what the conclusion is, but if your interpretation is correct then A is by definition the best possible answer..

of course, that's also why we discard D - if A is the BEST POSSIBLE ANSWER, then by definition B, C, D, and E are not the correct answer..
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by JbhB682 Tue May 02, 2017 11:20 pm

I chose D :(

- I eliminated B and C

- Eliminated E because it was only 50 % and not higher ...if its 50 %, testing for the genes is not an effective strategy and women would want to test for the other 50 % of the cases -- hence eliminated

Why i eliminated A was because of the word " Some of the women"

In order for A to be right, should this not be Most of the women ...

I saw another post where the difference between "Most" and "All " was key to eliminate (link here : https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... 23113.html) ....In this case, the advise is to eliminate because it said "Most" and not all the people ..

Please let me know !
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by RonPurewal Fri May 05, 2017 5:05 am

you're looking for an assumption -- i.e., a statement that's NECESSARY for the argument to work.

your complaint here is that choice A is a weaker statement than you were looking for -- but, for THIS task, that's not actually a complaint.
...because, given any necessary statement... any WEAKER statement will ALSO be necessary!

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say you're taking a test. to pass this test, you need to score 60 or higher.

so, it's necessary for you to score 60 or higher. you NEED to score that high.

the point is ... you also NEED to score over 50.
you also NEED to score over 22.
you also NEED to score more than zero.
etc.

these are ALL necessary.

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in other words -- if you have an assumption in mind, and you see a WEAKER VERSION OF THE STATEMENT YOU HAD IN MIND... then, pick it!
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by RonPurewal Fri May 05, 2017 5:09 am

JbhB682 Wrote:I saw another post where the difference between "Most" and "All " was key to eliminate (link here : https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... 23113.html) ....In this case, the advise is to eliminate because it said "Most" and not all the people ..

Please let me know !


that ^^ is a completely different, unrelated task.

that problem is asking which choice would strengthen something.
for THAT task, STRONGER statements are better.

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by the way, there's nothing to "memorize" here, and there are no "tricks". this is exactly like real-world reasoning.

let's say you're planning the budget for a project.

"do you really NEED $1000?"
"do you really NEED $500?"
"do you really NEED $200?"
etc.
...the SMALLER these numbers get, the MORE LIKELY the answer is to be "yes".

··•• AS OPPOSED TO ••··

"would $1000 really make a difference?"
"would $500 really make a difference?"
"would $200 really make a difference?"
...the smaller THESE numbers get, the more likely the answer is to be "NO".

assumptions are like the first group. "strengthen"/"weaken" is like the second group.
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by JbhB682 Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:47 am

Hi - I recently went over a slightly different version with a few different choices.

In this updated version of the same question case, the OA is A.

Source : Manhattan All the Verbal 2019 guide, Page 326.

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Two genes, BRCA1 and BRCA2, are linked to hereditary breast cancer. Genetic testing, which can detect these genes, is increasing in both accuracy and prevalence. The test is also less painful and invasive than a mammogram, which is typically used to detect early signs of breast cancer. Therefore, we can expect the percentage of women who undergo mammograms each year to decrease.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

(A) Some women who are tested for BRCA1 and BRCA2 will choose not to undergo a mammogram.
(B) The percentage of women undergoing mammograms each year has remained consistent over the last decade.
(C) Aside from BRCA1 and BRCA2, there are no other genes that are strongly linked to breast cancer.
(D) Doctors will continue to recommend regular mammograms for all women at risk of breast cancer, regardless of the results of genetic testing.
(E) A significant percentage of cases of breast cancer are linked to BRCA1 or BRCA2.
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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by JbhB682 Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:00 am

In this above updated version of the question , why is D wrong specifically ?

D needs to be true per my understanding

Because if DOCTORS DO NOT recommend regular mammograms (negating D) , then this becomes another reason why the % of women undergoing mammograms' may decline.

It's quite possible that doctors are no longer recommending regular mammograms which is the real cause for the decline in the percentage of women who undergo mammograms (And not the reasons given in the premises of the argument)

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Re: CR - Genetics (pg 70)

by Sage Pearce-Higgins Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:32 am

Remember that an assumption is something that the argument depends on, i.e., it's something that the argument needs in order to work. That means that, if the assumption is true, then the argument will be stronger. An assumption is an unstated premise that the argument needs.

Answer D actually weakens the argument, hence it is not an assumption.