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Re: Re:

by Crisc419 Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:08 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
rohit21384 Wrote:can we put following option into the sentencë:
f) nor are ........word "they" will be understood......verb "are" we have supplied for second clause.


nope. you can't do that unless you have a "neither" in front.

i.e.:
the schools neither have, nor are likely to have, ...
this would work.

you should just consider this an idiomatic construction: nor + helping verb + subject.

g) nor they are.....i have a doubt here- for such sentence (with not x nor y), helping verb comes before subject.......for this question would it be "nor are they "or "nor they are"


nor + noun + helping verb is never an acceptable construction. never, ever.


hi, Ron sir, what you said helps me a lot, and i want to know a little bit more about this question. sorry to bump up this old thread.

(1) in your example(the schools neither have, nor are likely to have), the subject can be omitted, is that because in the " neither ...nor" construction, although the subject only be used in the first half (neither....) but the subject is also considered in the second half( nor... ).

(2) "nor they are" is wrong, is that because in the "nor " construction, the clause should be inverted?

Look forword to your reply. Thanks, Sir.
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Re: Re:

by RonPurewal Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:00 am

1/
neither + VERB... + nor + VERB...
this is a basic parallel construction. the parallel things are verbs.
not sure what else i could explain here.

2/
yes.
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Re: Re:

by Crisc419 Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:29 am

RonPurewal Wrote:1/
neither + VERB... + nor + VERB...
this is a basic parallel construction. the parallel things are verbs.
not sure what else i could explain here.

2/
yes.



i got it , many thanks, Sir.
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Re: Re:

by RonPurewal Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:12 pm

you're welcome.
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Re: One report concludes that many schools do not have,

by jabgt Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:20 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
violetwind Wrote:Hi, Ron, is there any problem that the "they" in "nor are they" and the "them" in "use them efficiently" are pointing to different antecedents?


they actually must refer to different antecedents; if they referred to the same antecedent, the latter would have to be "themselves" instead of "them".

analogy:
... she looked at her ... --> one woman is looking at another woman. (this sentence is not ok unless it's a component of some larger parallel structure that elucidates the pronouns, but you get the point)
... she looked at herself... --> a woman is looking at herself.


Dear Ron Sir,

May I ask why the existence of "them" here is eligible? Is it actually not analogous to the OG problem "the automobile company's severance package" or to the example you gave, such as " ...the ball that I caught"? Though "them" is not the testing point of this problem and thanks to your always splendid explanations, I've got the key points of this problem, I just wonder whether I misunderstand the structure of "...the ball that I caught".
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Re: One report concludes that many schools do not have,

by RonPurewal Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:44 pm

i'm sorry, but i don't understand what you are asking. can you try to phrase the question in a way that's more explicit? and/or write out the specific constructions you're asking about?
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Re: One report concludes that many schools do not have,

by jabgt Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:08 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:i'm sorry, but i don't understand what you are asking. can you try to phrase the question in a way that's more explicit? and/or write out the specific constructions you're asking about?


Oh, I'm terribly sorry for my unclear expression!

(Dear Ron sir, this question doesn't matter. I let it go. ^^I'm pretty sure that if my question were meaningful to GMAT, you would explain it with full details.)

My question is why here the sentence is written as "many schools have enough computers to use them effectively" instead of "many schools have enough computers to use effectively"? We don't put "them" after "the computers that we use" to repeat "computers".

Thank you so much!
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Re: One report concludes that many schools do not have,

by RonPurewal Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:25 am

those would be different meanings.
the current sentence implies that there's a certain minimum number of computers below which it's impossible to use any of the computers effectively.

this construction is in the non-underlined part of the sentence, so, the distinction is immaterial here—and i suspect this sort of difference would never be tested by GMAC.
if you can find an official problem in which this specific distinction IS actually tested, please cite that problem here, and then we can discuss the difference.
thank you.