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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by chetan86 Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:20 am

Hi Ron,

Thanks a lot for brief explanation.
I was under assumption that parallel clauses should be in same voice. Your explanation is very much helpful to understand this concept.

Thanks,
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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by RonPurewal Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:34 pm

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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by DiJ92 Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:17 am

Dear Ron,

even though I have read all the posts in here, I still have a question about choice B

In choice B,
"while" means at the same time or contrast?
I think "being discharge" is wrong, however I do not know why it is wrong"
And if we eliminate being, is "while charged in 1783" a kind of omission construction ?

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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by Chelsey Cooley Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:37 pm

Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff, Deborah Sampson, the first woman to draw a soldier´s pension, joined the Continental Army in 1782 at the age of 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become too ill to serve.

A. 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become
B. 22, was injured three times, while being discharged in 1783 because she had become

DiJ92 Wrote:"while" means at the same time or contrast?


Neither of those would make logical sense. That's one of the things making (B) wrong.

I think "being discharge" is wrong, however I do not know why it is wrong"


Among other issues, an -ing phrase after a comma at the end of a sentence has to modify the main subject and verb (or the 'action of the sentence'.) It doesn't make logical sense for 'being discharged' to modify 'Deborah joined' - it doesn't further describe the way that she joined, or anything like that. But this is a moot point, because the 'while' being there means the whole thing isn't actually an 'ing' modifier anyways.

And if we eliminate being, is "while charged in 1783" a kind of omission construction ?


That would be the only way to read it, but unfortunately, it still doesn't really make sense (because it doesn't describe something that happened at the same time, and it doesn't really describe a contrast.)
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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by JustinCKN Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:30 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
ericyuan0811 Wrote:hi instructors

can we eliminate (B)(C)(E) based on the wrong usage of "comma + ing" because they do not meet the requirements that RON wrote in the other post:

not really, because "being too ill to serve" is a simultaneous/subordinate description that substantiates Sampson's discharge.



Hi Ron:
Sorry to open this old thread.
In choice C/E , I just care about the usage of "being too ill to serve"
Do you mean :"being too ill to serve" in Choice C/E is right?

Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff, Deborah Sampson, the first woman to draw a soldier´s pension, joined the Continental Army in 1782 at the age of 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become too ill to serve.

C. 22, and was injured three times, and discharged in 1783, being
E. 22, having been injured three times and discharged in 1783, being

From another your post, I know two correct usage of "being" , 1: it is part of a PASSIVE-VOICE construction . 2: it is used as a ING noun .
But in this thread, If "being too ill to serve" in choice C/E is right, then I think that the usage of being does not belong the two categories above , but belong to the usage of "comma+ING modifier" that means: simultaneous/subordinate description about preceding action.

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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by RonPurewal Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:23 am

sure, i'd say it's possible for a comma + __ing modifier to contain that kind of construction.

From another your post, I know two correct usage of "being" , 1: it is part of a PASSIVE-VOICE construction . 2: it is used as a ING noun .

LOL
look—obviously, i'm not ever going to be able to give exhaustive lists of EVERY possible way in which some construction is used, because NO ONE would EVER be able to do that, with ANY construction, in ANY language.
that just isn't how the human brain works. we don't store information as "databases", and our brains don't work on cold recall. (quick! name everyone you know whose name starts with "S"... see, you can't do that, either. you get my point.)

...so, whenever i give any sort of list like that—or whenever ANYONE gives ANY sort of list like that—you have to understand that there could be other possibilities that don't appear on the list.
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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by JustinCKN Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:52 am

RonPurewal Wrote:sure, i'd say it's possible for a comma + __ing modifier to contain that kind of construction.

From another your post, I know two correct usage of "being" , 1: it is part of a PASSIVE-VOICE construction . 2: it is used as a ING noun .

LOL
look—obviously, i'm not ever going to be able to give exhaustive lists of EVERY possible way in which some construction is used, because NO ONE would EVER be able to do that, with ANY construction, in ANY language.
that just isn't how the human brain works. we don't store information as "databases", and our brains don't work on cold recall. (quick! name everyone you know whose name starts with "S"... see, you can't do that, either. you get my point.)

...so, whenever i give any sort of list like that—or whenever ANYONE gives ANY sort of list like that—you have to understand that there could be other possibilities that don't appear on the list.



YES. Ron.
I get what you mean.
Thanks ! You always give me awesome valuable suggestion.
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Re: SC: Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff

by RonPurewal Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:12 pm

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