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SC-Green Bloom

by shimashouri Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:45 pm

Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green "bloom" visible on many copper items, and is produced, like iron rust, over the course of time by the exposure of the metal to the oxygen in the atmosphere.

A)visible on many copper items, and is produced
B)that is visible on many copper items, and which produces
C)visible on many copper items, and produces
D)that is visible on many copper items, and that produces
E)which is visible on many copper items, and which is produced

The answer is A in manhattan CAT Gmat.
But I have a question regarding Answer A. In SC strategy guid book of manhattan, page 190, it writes that " Do not use comma before and to seprate two verbs that have same subject."
In here, answer A has 2 verbs with one subjects. So, I choose answer E.
Could you explain more? and why answer E is wrong?

Thanks in advance
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by mschwrtz Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:40 pm

In SC strategy guid book of manhattan, page 190, it writes that " Do not use comma before and to seprate two verbs that have same subject."

That's a good general rule about commas, but there are exceptions. In fact, just a few days ago I fielded a question on our GMAT Prep forum about an SC question very much like this one.

Standard usage permits a comma here because the first of the two parallel verbs introduces a pretty complicated clause, is the green "bloom" visible on many copper items, whose noun, items, might otherwise seem to be the first of the elements coordinated by and. The comma makes it clear that something earlier in the sentence must be parallel, and when we see that a verb follows and it's not hard to see what that first element is.

I'm not sure that this sentence would be hard to follow without the comma, so I'm noy sure that it's required, but it is permissible.

and why answer E is wrong?

Consier the sentence that would result:

Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green "bloom" which is visible on many copper items, and which is produced, like iron rust, over the course of time by the exposure of the metal to the oxygen in the atmosphere.

In this sentence the modifiers which is visible... and which is produced... are parallel. This changes the meaning of the original sentence, in which the verbs is the... "bloom" and is produced are parallel.
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by chitrangada.maitra Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:23 pm

Hi,

I could not really understand how option E changes the meaning of the sentence.

Option A: Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green "bloom" visible on many copper items, and is produced, like iron rust,...

Option E: Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green "bloom" which is visible on many copper items, and which is produced, like iron rust,.....

Please let me know how they differ in meaning.

Thanks,
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by jnelson0612 Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:34 am

chitrangada.maitra Wrote:Hi,

I could not really understand how option E changes the meaning of the sentence.

Option A: Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green "bloom" visible on many copper items, and is produced, like iron rust,...

Option E: Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green "bloom" which is visible on many copper items, and which is produced, like iron rust,.....

Please let me know how they differ in meaning.

Thanks,


Read Michael's excellent explanation again and then let's check out what's going on here. In A, the parallelism is with "bloom" and "is produced", both describing Aerugo.

In E, the parallelism is "which is visible" and "which is produced", both describing "bloom".

It's a subtle distinction and quite hard to spot!
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by rikky.bora Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:08 am

Sorry for bumping up an old thread. But, just wondering whether we can eliminate E based on the fact that it contains 2 "which phrases" - nonessential modifiers : two non-essential modifiers when removed from the whole sentence leave no real meaning to the sentence as a whole.
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by jnelson0612 Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:21 am

rikky.bora Wrote:Sorry for bumping up an old thread. But, just wondering whether we can eliminate E based on the fact that it contains 2 "which phrases" - nonessential modifiers : two non-essential modifiers when removed from the whole sentence leave no real meaning to the sentence as a whole.


Not so sure on that. Using your suggestion, we could have:
"Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is (a) green bloom".

I think Michael's explanation is a more sound reason for eliminating E.
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by rikky.bora Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:20 am

jnelson0612 Wrote:
rikky.bora Wrote:Sorry for bumping up an old thread. But, just wondering whether we can eliminate E based on the fact that it contains 2 "which phrases" - nonessential modifiers : two non-essential modifiers when removed from the whole sentence leave no real meaning to the sentence as a whole.


Not so sure on that. Using your suggestion, we could have:
"Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is (a) green bloom".


Nope, the non-underlined part of the given SC Question reads
"Aerugo, also known as verdigris, is the green bloom",
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by messi10 Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:40 pm

Hi Ricky,

I agree with Jamie's post.

Also, note that the first which is not a non-essential modifier. A non - essential modifier has to be preceded by a comma and that is not the case with option E.

If you read the SC guide on page 89, you will see that which vs that is no longer used to decide whether the modifier is essential or non essential. It is the combination of comma and which/that that makes the distinction.

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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by rikky.bora Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:07 am

varun_783 Wrote:Hi Ricky,

I agree with Jamie's post.

Also, note that the first which is not a non-essential modifier. A non - essential modifier has to be preceded by a comma and that is not the case with option E.

If you read the SC guide on page 89, you will see that which vs that is no longer used to decide whether the modifier is essential or non essential. It is the combination of comma and which/that that makes the distinction.

Regards

Sunil


Hey Sunil,

Good catch !! Thank you for another nifty tip :)
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by jnelson0612 Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:37 am

Thanks Sunil!
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by I_need_a_700plus Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:10 pm

Can someone explain why passive is better than active in this sentence correction?

Many thanks.
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Re: SC-Green Bloom

by jlucero Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:45 pm

Because the subject is "Aerugo":

Aerugo (1) is visible on many copper items, and (2) is produced over the course of time.

You can't say:

Aerugo (1) is visible on many copper items, and (2) produces (produces what? itself?) over the course of time.
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