Diagram

[kevin.cynthia]

I am have trouble setting up my diagram for this game. I know the three elements, which are: 5 workers, 5 tasks, and 3 days. I tried to use the tasks as the base and set up a 5 (tasks) x 3 (days) diagram. However, that was all I could complete. I am sure this is easy but it is definitely giving me a lot of trouble.

[noah]

This is a tricky game in that it's easy to completely misinterpret the scenario. Does something happen on every day? Not necessarily! But there's definitely some work done on day 1 and 2. If it's just 2 days, F, W and T needs to be completed on day one to keep T and P separate.

I tried to play the game differently, to treat it as an open assignment game, but the questions mostly hinge on the overlap of who can do what tasks, so that needs to be in the diagram. I think you were on the right track.

Try listing out the possible workers under each task, and leaving a space to write both the day and the worker above each task. I've attached my diagram, but you might want to try it again on your own first.

Tell me if you have any problems with this set-up still or with any of the questions.

- Noah

[kevin.cynthia]

Noah,

That helped tremendously! I too had the same diagram. However, I did not have who could do what task underneath (which was the dealbreaker for me). AFter I visualized that, I did not miss a single question.

Thank you,

[theaether]

I'm confused about the first condition of work being done each day, combined with the initial paragraph's situation of "maximum of 3 days." How does this not just mean that all 3 days are used, since work has to be done each day? If you finish in 2 days, then there's no work done on day 3.

[noah]

That is confusing! I think the LSAT could have been clearer here. The most important thing to notice is that we can be sure that LSAC definitely meant that the job could take 2 days because a couple of questions state "If the installation takes three days.."

As for what the wording of the scenario, the "at most three days" is the general framework of the game. The "At least one task is done each day" would have to read "At least one task is done of each of the three days" if it were to mean that the job requires three days. As it stands now, the "each day" is referring to each of the days of the installation, not of the three possible days.

Make sense?

(how annoying!)

[axelleklincke]

I tried making a diagram based on who can do what task, but I don't think I am doing it right/ am having trouble visualizing this game I think. Could you please post a pdf of the diagram, as you have for other games? Thanks!

Also, could F,W,T,S go on day 1 and then P on day 2? It seems ok to me but perhaps I missed something?

Thanks in advance!

[noah]

I tried making a diagram based on who can do what task, but I don't think I am doing it right/ am having trouble visualizing this game I think. Could you please post a pdf of the diagram, as you have for other games? Thanks!

Also, could F,W,T,S go on day 1 and then P on day 2? It seems ok to me but perhaps I missed something?

Thanks in advance!

Sorry about that - the tech demons pulled it off the earlier post. I put it back.

I will review the game in a second, but from what I can see in the diagram, we just need 2 days, so your hypothetical is fine in terms of the number of days.

[adamiNM25]

Wow. I'm horribly confused about the graph.

What does 1, 1/2, , , 2/3 signify?

[timmydoeslsat]

This game gives us a lot of information. When a LSAT game gives you people and tasks or instruments they can play, it is a good idea to order this information by who can perform a certain task or play a certain instrument, and by what each individual can do.

This game already has given us a list of what each person can do.

Another great thing that is given to us is the exact ordering of the tasks to be completed: f-w-t-s-p.

We can have up to 5 crew members and the installation can be done up to 3 days.

When we learn that taping and priming are done on separate days, that allows us to infer that the installation must take at least 2 days. If that were not the case, how would taping and priming be separated?

So for example, taping must be done on either day 1 or day 2. It could not be done on day 3 because then priming would have to be day 4, and we only have 3 days. So I will base my two base set ups on that concept.

So, we have either:

Taping on the first day:

(1) F
(1) W
(1) T
(1 or 2) S
(2 or 3) P


Taping on the second day:

(1) F
(1 or 2) W
(2) T
(2 or 3) S
(3) P


The (# or #) indicates that the variable can be validly placed on either day and not break any rules.

What I did on my diagram was horizontally lay out my variables in order f-w-t-s-p.

I did that twice. One signified T on day 1, the other on day 2.

Underneath each task, I listed who could perform it, I placed those vertically underneath them, which for T would workers G and L.

When you list the tasks, 2 of the questions can be completed (#19 and #21), as each list must contain at least one of those workers from each task. For example, if a list does not contain an I or a K, it is not correct, as the installation would not include a framing element.

Framing: I K
Wallboarding: L O
Taping: G L
Sanding: H K M
Priming: H I O

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

Nice work timmydoeslsat! I love the way you inverted the list from who can perform which tasks, to which tasks can be performed by whom!

Framing: I K
Wallboarding: L O
Taping: G L
Sanding: H K M
Priming: H I O

This idea of inverting a list is something I have found frequently to be useful. Here are some other games where I was I glad I inverted the list:

PT38, S2, G4 - Musical Performances (game-4-musical-performances-f320.html)
PT23, S2, G4 - Candidates (game-4-candidates-f380.html)

[eht1991]

Noah, I think you accidentally posted the wrong diagram on here. Looks like your diagram is for game 3 and not game 4. Could you please re-post the correct diagram, as I am still having some trouble setting up this game. Thank you so much!

-Ernest

[noah]

Noah, I think you accidentally posted the wrong diagram on here. Looks like your diagram is for game 3 and not game 4. Could you please re-post the correct diagram, as I am still having some trouble setting up this game. Thank you so much!

-Ernest

Hey Ernest, I just checked, and while I've been wrong many times before, I'm pretty sure that's the right diagram for this game. The pdf says "PT31, S1, G4" on the top, and it's about the different tasks. Maybe it's very unlike what you were expecting?

[aerialstrong]

I didn't diagram this one. Here'r my thoughts:

The only fixed condition is that T&P are not in the same day, and this is decisive in seperating the days in all following Qs. Remember the fixed condition is important in all could be, must be true, must be false Qs.

19:
Q is about "could be complete" so it must contain all 5 tasks.
Looking for those tasks which only have 2 people do them, so we can easily decide the answer choice needs to have one or the other.
So the answer choice has to contain:
G or L---taping
I or K----Framing
L or O ----Wallboarding
thus we can choose B.

20:
The sequesnce of the tasks
F W T S P
if we know that, 2 crew members, work on 2 days, then we know that they perform 4 tasks, so we know

F W, T, S P
1 , 2, 3
so the 2 crew members shall perform task FWSP, thus choosing D

21:
This one is the same with 19, following the same method, easy.

22:
if S is on the 3rd day, and we know that F must be the 1st day, so the 2nd day could be W and T, so we look for those who do those stuff, and they are G,L,O. so we got the answer E.

23:
this one is quite similar to 20, similar way of thinking. The correct answer choice should represent 4 tasks. so we got answer C and D. But one implied condition here is that, each 2 tasks shall be consecutive, as 2 people in each pair, so C is not right, C represents 3:1.


One piece of info. that I don't find needed is the first sentence---a crew of up to 5 workers...what's the point of this sentence...isn't this info. useless? Anyone?