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Q25 - Sarah: Our regulations for staff

by giladedelman Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:15 am

mbernstein04 Wrote:trying to figure out why b, interpreting regulations is a prerogative that belongs solely to supervisors is the correct answer. from what i understand the core looks something like:

premise 1 -- staff may be dismissed because personal views conflict with supervisors

premise 2 -- unsatisfactory performance is not defined

conclusion -- staff regulations are vague and difficult to interpret


Mbernstein! Glad to see you using the forums.

I'm also glad to see that you're working to find the argument core, but I think in this case you're a little off.

When we're trying to determine what the conclusion of an argument is, we want to figure out where the logic, where the "therefore," is happening. What part of the argument is the author trying to prove? By those standards, I think the first sentence -- "Our regulations for staff review are vague and thus difficult to interpret" -- is actually more like background information. It seems to be stated as fact; the sentence that follows is giving a specific example of the observed phenomenon, not explaining it.

So where is the core? Well, you seem to have overlooked the "thus" in the last sentence. This tips us off that what you labeled the two premises are actually a premise and a conclusion. The core then should look like this:

P: Regulations state that unsatisfactory performance leads to dismissal, but don't define unsatisfactory performance
----------> C: Staff may be dismissed merely because their views conflict their supervisors' views.

Now, if you don't totally buy my argument about the first sentence, I won't press the issue. I suppose there's an argument to be made that the given example functions as a supporting premise. But even so, that conclusion would have to be tacked on to the core we just spelled out; we would still have the intermediate conclusion about staff being dismissed. So there would still be logic to evaluate between those two statements, and the possibility of an assumption falling in there.

Now, what is that assumption? Well, we're told that "unsatisfactory performance" isn't defined and that, therefore, staff may be dismissed just for disagreeing with their supervisors. This seems to make sense; if there are no objective criteria, then it will be up to the people doing the evaluating to come up with subjective standards. But wait: who said it's just the supervisors doing the evaluating? What if staff evaluations are done by one's fellow staff-members? Or the janitor? Who knows? The argument is assuming that the supervisor is the only one doing the evaluating.

Answer (B) expresses that assumption, thereby strengthening the argument. If interpreting these vague regulations is solely the prerogative of supervisors, then it makes more sense to conclude that workers may be fired for disagreeing with them.

(A) is out of scope. The argument is about "unsatisfactory" performance, not at all about work that's below expectations.

(C) is out of scope. Answer for their performance?

(D) is out of scope. Subordinate positions?

(E) is, uh ... yeah, it's out of scope. When does the argument talk about fairness (or what employees think)?

So, Mr. B, does that clear this one up for you? Let me know if you're still hung up on how to spot the core.
 
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Re: Q25 - Sarah: Our regulations for staff

by jamiejames Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:59 pm

This is the hardest question I've come up against thus far.

what exactly about Sarah's speech are we meant to be justifying?

I understand the prompt very well, I think. Some people may get fired because there's no concrete definition of what unsatisfactory performance is, thus they may get fired for having a problem with their supervisor. So are we saying, that in order for someone to get fired for not liking their supervisor, the supervisor has to be the one doing the firing? Is that why B is correct?
 
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Re: Q25 - Our regulations for staff review are vague

by timmydoeslsat Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:16 pm

I see this one a little differently than giladedelman did.

Sarah states that regulations for staff review are vague, and thus difficult to interpret.

She gives us an example of this, where a staff member that performs unsatisfactory will face dismissal.

She concludes that some staff may be dismissed merely because their personal views conflict with those of their supervisors.

That is a jump obviously. We need some type of justification that will help us with this idea that a personal view conflict can lead to a dismissal. (Personal view = I think blue is my favorite color shirt. "Oh really? Mine is red. You're dismissed.")

A) Personal view does not equal performance. This will not help with the idea.
B) This does get to the idea of a supervisor being able to dismiss someone for any reason.
C) Same issue as A. Personal view /=performance
D) Discusses keeping them in subordinate positions, where as our conclusion states dismissal.
E) What employees consider to be fair is not at issue here.
 
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Re: Q25 - Our regulations for staff review are vague

by giladedelman Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:42 am

Timmy: I think we're basically on the same page.

jeastman: Yes, this is a tough one, I think mainly because the correct answer doesn't jump out at us. It's a good example of a question that's easier to answer by getting rid of the answers that definitely don't work.

Anyway, we're trying to justify Sarah's conclusion, which is that somebody could get dismissed simply because her supervisor disagrees with her personal views. Notice that this is a strengthen question, so the right answer doesn't have to be necessary, it just has to help us draw the conclusion. It's not necessary that interpreting regulations is the sole prerogative of supervisors, but if that's true, it strengthens our ability to draw this conclusion because we know it's the supervisors, and not somebody else, who has the power to decide who should be dismissed.

Does that answer your question or are you still mixed up?
 
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Re: Q25 - Our regulations for staff review are vague

by jamiejames Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:23 pm

giladedelman Wrote:Timmy: I think we're basically on the same page.

jeastman: Yes, this is a tough one, I think mainly because the correct answer doesn't jump out at us. It's a good example of a question that's easier to answer by getting rid of the answers that definitely don't work.

Anyway, we're trying to justify Sarah's conclusion, which is that somebody could get dismissed simply because her supervisor disagrees with her personal views. Notice that this is a strengthen question, so the right answer doesn't have to be necessary, it just has to help us draw the conclusion. It's not necessary that interpreting regulations is the sole prerogative of supervisors, but if that's true, it strengthens our ability to draw this conclusion because we know it's the supervisors, and not somebody else, who has the power to decide who should be dismissed.

Does that answer your question or are you still mixed up?


That does answer my question, thank you so much :)
 
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Re: Q25 - Sarah: Our regulations for staff

by phlee004 Tue May 15, 2012 7:08 pm

I'm having difficulty jumping from "interpreting regulations" to the one who is doing the evaluating. I feel that I would be able to pick B if it said "Performing staff reviews is a prerogative that belongs solely to supervisors", but I'm having trouble with the "interpreting regulations part." Could someone help me with that jump?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Q25 - Sarah: Our regulations for staff

by derrikglass Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:41 am

My problem with B is in the word "belongs." Saying that power belongs to the people doesn't imply that power resides with the people. Similarly, saying that the prerogative to interpret regulations belongs to the supervisors doesn't mean that said prerogative in fact resides with them.

I chose D. While D doesn't address the particular reasoning that's used, it seems to offer a parallel statement that suggests vague regulations can be exploited discretionally.

Can someone help me out here?
 
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Re: Q25 - Sarah: Our regulations for staff

by hayleychen12 Fri May 05, 2017 6:21 am

Same question here.
I can't see the connection between having the prerogative to dismiss someone and having the prerogative to interpret regulation.

Any help!!! :(
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Re: Q25 - Sarah: Our regulations for staff

by ohthatpatrick Sat May 06, 2017 12:44 am

CONC - you might get fired just because your personal views conflict with those of your supervisor

(why?)

EVID - because the regulations state that a staff member who is performing unsatisfactorily will get fired, but the regulations don't define what "unsatisfactory performance" is.

The author is thinking, "Since you can get fired for unsatisfactory performance, but what that means is never defined, you better not annoy your supervisor or else she will fire you for 'unsatisfactory performance'."

The author is assuming that our supervisor gets to determine whether we've been performing unsatisfactorily.

If the supervisor weren't making that call, then having some conflict with your supervisor wouldn't endanger your job.

(B) is solidifying this idea --- "Yup ... it's your SUPERVISOR who will be determining whether you're performing satisfactorily (i.e. interpreting the regulation, as it applies to you)."

(C) Sure, this baby-strengthens. It IS a vague regulation and the author IS talking about someone getting fired for it under the ruling of "unsatisfactory performance". But the strength of language is weak ("it CAN be used") and it doesn't in any way connect to the conclusion: that we might get fired for differing with our supervisor.

(D) Nothing in this argument is talking about 'keeping us in a subordinate role'. We're talking about getting FIRED, getting dismissed.

I'm very confused what the poster two posts ago was saying:
Saying that power belongs to the people doesn't imply that power resides with the people. Similarly, saying that the prerogative to interpret regulations belongs to the supervisors doesn't mean that said prerogative in fact resides with them.

In my mind,
Power belongs to = power resides with

Those seem totally interchangeable, at least in this context.