Since 1975 so many people

[RonPurewal]

quoted from my previous post:

in fact, i don't think you should pick a sentence with "such that" in one piece. if anyone can prove me wrong on this, please do.
the ONLY non-awkward, correct sentences i've seen with "such that" are sentences about math or physics (e.g., "choose x and y such that x + y = 10").

[thanghnvn]

pls, help explain the difference between

She is so beautiful a girl that anybody want to see her

and

She is such a beautifull girl that anybody want to see her.

I think that the first focuses on the "beautiful" and the second focuses on "a girl".

Am I correct?

[RonPurewal]

pls, help explain the difference between

She is so beautiful a girl that anybody want to see her

and

She is such a beautifull girl that anybody want to see her.

there's essentially no difference between these.

[thanghnvn]

Ron, Manhantan experts, I want to continue this thread for a reason

because on gmat " to such a degree that" and "to such a level that " are normally wrong on gmat. In the problem they are used, there are answer choice which are more concise. This makes me understand that tested topin is conciseness.

that is the reason I want you to tell me the cases in which "such that" is used. Is there one case: "such a noun that"?

[tim]

please provide examples to back up your assertions. problem numbers are good enough (remember you are not allowed to quote OG problems on this forum)..

[zhongshanlh]

i am not clear about the pronoun in option A:

so many people have been moving to Utah such that Mormons who were once 75 percent of the population are now only accounting for half of it

at the end of the sentence, we see the pronoun "it".

what does "it" refer to?i think that "it" is intended to refer to population,but i am not sure whether it can.
please help and thank you!

[tim]

i'd say that "population" is the best antecedent here, but remember A is not the correct answer anyway, so you shouldn't be surprised that it ends up awkwardly worded and confusing.. :)

[mcmebk]

A) Such that Mormons, who were once 75% of the population : Mornons should either account for or represent 75% of the population. Saying Mormons are 75% of the population is not logical meaning to me

B) Same meaning error. Plus the construction since X, so Y seems akward to me.

C) same meaning error. Plus the construction "since that....such that" is akward

D) Corrects the meaning error(...Mormons, who once represented 75% of the population). But incorrectly uses the construction "Since X that Y". The construction should be " So X that Y"

E) E corrects both the meaning and construction error

Hope the answer is E. I struggled debating between D and E. Some body please chip in on this. This is my first time coming across the construction "Since X that Y" so I'm not 100% sure it's wrong

Hi Instructor, can you please kindly verify if what is said here, that "Mormons are 75% of the population" is correct or not? Maybe it should be said that Mormons accounts for 75% of the population, or Mormons represents 75% of the population? as in the correct answer?

THanks.

[jlucero]

It is preferred to say that a group of people make up or represent a percentage of a population, rather than saying that they are a percentage. So I would definitely hesitate to select A or C. But there's also an important switch in meaning in the following sentences:

Mormons who live in Utah are happy. (Only the Mormons living in Utah are happy)

Mormons, who live in Utah, are happy. (All Mormons are happy, but they also live in Utah.

Notice that (A) uses the first construction to say that only the Mormons who once made up 75% of the population make up half of the population now. It makes sense logically to say that Mormons used to make up 75% of the population and now make up 50% of the population.

[sachin.w]

Hi Instructors ,

I have one doubt.
The correct option E ends as "now account for only half".
How writing only half is sufficient here.
As per my understanding we should write like "half of the population".Kindly explain how it is sufficient just to write half.

Regards
Anupriya

there is a direct comparison with "75% of the population" in the immediately preceding construction. therefore, it is understood that the second fraction/percentage is also "of the population". if these things are the same, you don't have to keep spelling them out every time.

as another example:
ten percent of the workers were on vacation; another twenty percent were sick.

Hi Ron ,
Can this be taken as an example of ellipsis?
Regards,
Sach

[thanghnvn]

so that, such that , confusing.

I try to summarize as following, pls help confirm, modify. we need to understand and remember some rules (By gmat standard)

so+ adjective+ that
correct
so as +adjective+ to
correct
such+adjective +noun+that
correct

such that (nothing in between, one piece_
wrong
so as to (nothing in between, one piece)
not prefered. normaly wrong.

pls , confirm, modify, or include some more patterns relative to "so that, such that"

[thanghnvn]

I supplement

to such a degree that
to such level that

are normaly wrong for WORDINESS not for grammar

[RonPurewal]

Hi Instructors ,

I have one doubt.
The correct option E ends as "now account for only half".
How writing only half is sufficient here.
As per my understanding we should write like "half of the population".Kindly explain how it is sufficient just to write half.

Regards
Anupriya

there is a direct comparison with "75% of the population" in the immediately preceding construction. therefore, it is understood that the second fraction/percentage is also "of the population". if these things are the same, you don't have to keep spelling them out every time.

as another example:
ten percent of the workers were on vacation; another twenty percent were sick.

Hi Ron ,
Can this be taken as an example of ellipsis?
Regards,
Sach

i don't know that terminology, but the terminology is basically irrelevant; you just have to know how it works.

[RonPurewal]

I supplement

to such a degree that
to such level that

are normaly wrong for WORDINESS not for grammar

it's a mistake to try to judge "wordiness" in individual answer choices.

if you are going to try to judge "wordiness", you should only do so by comparing different answer choices with each other. if one choice is better, clearer, and more concise than another, then you can eliminate the latter choice.

[thanghnvn]

Since 1975 so many people have been moving to Utah such that Mormons who were once 75 percent of the population are now only accounting for half of it.

A. so many people have been moving to Utah such that Mormons who were once 75 percent of the population are now only accounting for half of it

B. many people have been moving to Utah, so Mormons once 75 percent of the population are now accounting for only half

C. that many people have been moving to Utah, such that the Mormons that were once 75 percent of the population are now accounting for only half of it

D. many people have been moving to Utah such that the Mormons, who once represented 75 percent of the population, now only account for half

E. so many people have been moving to Utah that the Mormons, who once represented 75 percent of the population, now account for only half

even if in B, comma appears before and after "once 75 percent...population", B is wrong because

Mormons are 75 percent of population

is wrong

appositive is wrong here.

is my thinking correct?